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Well, first of all, I feel very ill-equipped to answer this question.
However, I don’t think it serves you best for me to pretend that I don’t know the limited things that I do believe God has taught me.
So, with that in mind, I’d like to share the general themes of today’s episode
-humility
-the horrific humiliation of the cross
-how that makes us more surrendered followers
-the necessity of solitude
-the reality of our nothingness which we will only perceive should we stay in solitude long enough
-how I wrestle and fight pride and seek humility — and how I always hope to.
May this draw you closer to who God wants you to be.
Blessings,
Belah
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Transcript
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Welcome to the delight your marriage podcast. Your joining me belah Rose is I dive deep into the beauty, power and truths about intimacy, learn not only the practicals, but the heart behind what making love is all about delight your marriage. Hi, there, it’s belah thank you for joining me. I am just honored and grateful that we get to spend this time together. And this is an important topic. You know, my work and the whole work of delight your marriage and this incredible team I get to work with and work alongside are really focused on spiritual maturity are focused on discipleship. I mean, we really call ourselves a discipleship organization. You know, Christianity, we need help. That’s where we are we, we need help, we need help, understanding how to do it better. There’s just a lot of mess out there that we as Christians, we need to do it better. And we need to be ruthless with our growth. I really feel that way. We need to be ruthless with our growth. Jesus didn’t ask for half hearted alignment. He just wasn’t he wasn’t a half hearted kind of leader. He asked for everything. You said, deny yourself. Anyway, I’m, I’m really moved by the sacrifice of Jesus the intensity of what a crucifixion was. And I’ve been learning a little bit about that recently. And I think it really plays into this conversation quite a lot. And we’re going to be talking about spiritual maturity. And I’m going to try my best to approach something that
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is kind of, obviously, I don’t know it feels prideful, even approaching the topic. Yeah,
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I’ll talk about that in a second. But before I dive in, if you want to learn how to work with us to improve your intimacy, to improve your marriage, to improve your walk with the Lord, all of those,
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any of those, we would love to talk to you. You know, I
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think that so often, again, Christian circles really put sexuality to the side. And they’ll work on all the areas of life aside from sexual desire, intimacy, in your marriage, all of that, and yet, our culture is, is obsessed with sex. But us as mature followers of Jesus aren’t giving that guidance. And so that’s what delight your marriage is focused on is giving you the tools, the insights, the help the community around you, to thrive in this vital area of your life and really integrate you as an entire believer in surrender this area of your life, to God’s will and God’s design. So go to delight your marriage.com/cc get you hooked up with a amazing clarity advisor, who will listen to your story and empathize with what you’re going through. And they themselves have gone through a very similar process that by God’s grace, through the delight your marriage programs have gone to the other side of just really exciting and God glorifying transformation. We’d love for that for you. So you can go to delight your marriage.com/cc and, yeah, who knows what’s on the other side of, of that step of faith. Alrighty, God bless you. Let’s go ahead
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and dive in all right, this is a toughy I really feel prideful, even approaching it.
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Just prideful, like, it just feels like the opposite of Humility is saying, Hey, I’m doing it right. And I kind of feel like I feel in approaching this topic of spiritual maturity. I feel like it’s a pride to even think I’ve got it right. And yet, when I look around, I’m just noticing the lack of maturity and I and I feel like we need some practical skills and tools to help us grow Growing this, I still have a lot of growth to do. But I don’t know that it’s serving others by pretending that I don’t have some things figured out. Even though in those ways I’m growing. So again, I don’t feel like I have arrived. I always feel like I need to grow on a consistent God is kind to show me the areas I need to grow and continue that work. But I want to be ruthless with my growth I want I want to see where my lacks are, where my areas of weaknesses are, and, and really ask God to help me to align myself to what he wants to be doing. So the Scriptures about hiding God’s Word in your heart, I think are really, really good. But I’m not sure that we’re doing it right when we read the Bible. I wonder if when people are focused on memorizing Scripture, it’s really adding knowledge, but not necessarily creating heart transformation. And I say that because I work with plenty of people. I know plenty of people who they’ve memorized scripture, they know a lot of Scripture, but their hearts are far from the Lord. And they have a rebellious spirit. Not a gentle tender spirit before the Lord. And I’m tempted to do this to to kind of have a score board of like, okay, I did that. Right.
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I did that right into that, right? Hey,
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I’m doing that even better than that, at that time. It’s so tempting, isn’t it? And, and that’s a temptation I’m dealing with today. Like, it’s not a temptation that is far away from me, or I’ve I’ve gotten over. But I feel like God is kind to kind of consistently bring it up. Just like, Bella, I, I don’t know about that one. That’s a little out there. You need to, you know, cool it and come back to just really relying on God’s grace for it all. So there’s a book that I’m really loving. And I read it. I don’t know how many times but I probably haven’t picked it up in the last couple of years. But I picked it up again, just like once again, just floored and grateful for the insights of it. It was actually published in 1981. So that’s, where are we now? 2022. That’s over 30 years ago. Right? That’s like 3041 years ago. So if I think about what was happening in the world at that time, that was before the internet, before computers before cell phones before the smartphone, before social media. That was a long time ago. But the words of the author, Henry now in
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our so
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they’re kind of like timeless words that and encouragement, and I think they’re especially worthwhile to be meditating on in this season of the world. The title of the book is the way of the heart.
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And I want to talk about
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a couple of I want to read a couple of passages from it. Because hopefully, it’ll inspire you to buy it and read it. I and I do actually mean read it. It’s a very short book. It’s like 100 pages. I listen to books, I don’t read much, I really don’t. But this is one that is totally worthwhile. Purchasing and reading, and writing in and underlining and writing notes about and asking God to help you in this area. I mean, that’s the kind of investment I would recommend in certain of your time and attention in this book. So again, I’m just going to kind of do a couple of little portions here, but I’ll tell you the the chapters. First, its prologue, then solitude, then silence, then prayer, an epilogue and notes. Again, very short chapters, very, very short book, but profound. Alright, during the years Anthony, so we’re talking about St. Anthony, the father of monks is best, is the best guide in our attempt to understand the role of solitude and ministry. Born in 251, Anthony was the son of Egyptian peasants. When he was about 18 years old. He heard in the church, in church, the Gospel words, go and sell what you own and give the money to the poor, and then come and follow Me. Anthony realized that these words were meant for him personally. After a period of living as a poor labor at the edge of his village, he withdrew into the desert, where for 20 years he lived in complete solitude. During these years, Anthony experienced a terrible trial, the shell of his superficial securities was cracked, and the abyss of iniquity was open to him. But he came out of this trial victoriously not because of his own willpower, or aesthetic exploits, but because of his unconditional surrender. Unconditional Surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. All right, I’m going to keep going. It says secularity. Again, I’m skipping to page 22 secularity is a way of being dependent on the responses of our mu. The secular or false self is a self which is fabricated, as Thomas Merton says by social compulsions compulsive is indeed the best adjective for a false self. It points to the need for ongoing and increasing affirmation. Who am I? I’m the one who is liked, praised, admired, disliked, hated or despised. Whether I am a pianist, a businessman or minister what matters is how I am perceived by my world. If being busy is a good thing, then I must be busy. If having money is a sign of real freedom, then I must claim my money. If knowing many people personally importance, I will have to make the necessary contacts the compulsion manifests itself in the lurking fear of failing, and the study urged to prevent this by gathering more of the same my work sorry, more work, more money and more friends. On believable, okay, we’re gonna skip to page 25. Solitude is the furnace of transformation. Without solitude, we remain victims of our society, and continue to be entangled in the illusions of this false self. Jesus in his self entered into this furnace. There he was tempted with the three compulsions of our world to be relevant turnstones into those to be spectacular, throw yourself down, and to be powerful, I will give you all these kingdoms. There he affirmed God as the only source of his identity. There he affirmed God as the only source of his identity, you must worship the Lord your God and serve him alone. Solitude is the place of great struggle, and the great encounter the struggle against the compulsions of the false self, in the encounter with the loving God, who offers himself as the substance of the new self. I’m going to skip to page 27. in solitude, I get rid of my scaffolding, no friends to talk with no telephone calls, to make no meetings to attend no music to entertain no books to distract me. Just naked, vulnerable, weak, sinful, deprived, broken, nothing.
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It is this nothingness that I have to face in my solitude and nothingness, so dreadful, that everything in me wants to run to my friends, my work and my distractions, so that I can forget my nothingness and make myself believe that I am worth something. And I think the very last part, I’ll read from page 28, the struggle is real, because the danger is real. It is the danger of living the whole of our life, as one long defense against the reality of our condition, one restless effort to convince ourselves of our own virtuousness. Yet Jesus did not come to call the virtuous, but sinners. That is the struggle. It’s the struggle to die to the false self. But this struggle is far far beyond our own strength. Anyone who wants to fight his demons with his own weapons is a fool The wisdom of the desert is that the confrontation with our own frightening nothingness forces us to surrender ourselves totally. And unconditionally to the Lord Jesus Christ. Okay, I can’t, I don’t want to stop, I just want to keep reading for my own benefit. I feel like that is so important in our day to day in our current environment, like again, that was 41 years ago when he’s talking about that, but he’s referencing the Desert Fathers. It talks about the the, the sub, the subtitle, of the way of the heart, desert spirituality and contemporary ministry, he he references all these people that are from the first century even after Jesus came, and how did they practice Christianity? What was it? What did it mean to follow Jesus? Because right now, we are so turned around, myself included, we are so far from who Jesus was. And so I just want to invite you to have solitude as a practice, to grow in
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space.
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In nothingness, not even worship music, I mean, nothing. I mean, for me, I have a journal in front of me, it helps me to capture the thoughts that are going through my mind, but honestly, I need, I probably need to have more space than even that. Often I’ll, I’ll channel my thoughts in a list. And that seems to be easier for me to you know, I do mostly gratitudes of that list. When my mind wanders into things I don’t want it to then I bring it back to a gratitude, etc, or rejoicing in the Lord or something about who he is. But just the solitude, this silence. And the book is so much deeper than I just can’t wait for you to read it and be edified by it. But it just makes me wonder, are you looking at your life in that way? Where does solitude appear in your own life? Where are you silent before God just silent, just silent, and you stop believing the lie that you are entitled and worthy, and all these things, because it’s so hard,
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so hard to die to yourself to love your spouse, when you just feel entitled, that’s not spiritually mature. You know, I think it’s so hard. When somebody is married to a non believer.
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It’s just so hard. Because they have to love with the prayer in their heart that they would attract their spouse to Jesus. It’s so hard. And I want to commend you, if you’re listening and you you’re really not sure your spouse is a believer, or maybe you know, they’re not. I just want to commend you, bravo to you. You know, I just think about your crown and heaven, I think about what, what, what God’s gonna give you on the other side,
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because of the way you loved
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with the hope and prayer that your spouse would come to Jesus, I just want to invite you and encourage you in that. But in this place of solitude, all of our goodness, quote, unquote, becomes better. And we start to see like, Oh, really not that good. I’ve got all these greedy thoughts or lustful thoughts or fantasies about this or that wealth or fame or acclaim or all that and, you know, or what are my motivations for all these other things? And we have motivations for all sorts of things. And it’s really tough to recognize that we have impure motivations. I have impure impure motivations. I’m not going to pretend that I don’t. I do. And at times it It sickens me that that’s true. I’m praying for God to give better insight on humility for me because I think I think, you know, maybe this is going to be helpful for you to think through for yourself as well. But St. Francis, I love a book about him. called the lessons of St. Francis, how to bring simplicity and spirituality into your daily life. And that was published in 1997. So not 40 years ago, but 20, you know, 25 it’s good, but one of the chapters is on humility. And St. Francis told his other monks that they needed to tell him bad things about himself. And that was like, one of the disciplines, which I thought was pretty funny. So, I was telling a friend, myself, I was trying to, I was telling a friend about this area of life that I need to grow in. And I just know like, I’ve been meditating on First Corinthians 13. Love is patient, love is kind, it does not boast. It does not dishonor others, it does not keep records of wrongs. It is not proud, it is not self seeking, it is not easily angered. I feel like most of those fall in the category of pride, boasting dishonouring others usually that’s because we think we’re better than them, keeping a record of wrongs, we’re in a place of judgment. To me, that equals pride. It actually says proud, self seeking that feels like pride, to me easily anger that feels like I’m offended, because somebody treated me badly, and I deserve to be treated better. And this idea of humility, like we can’t love if we’re prideful. And so that’s just something that I feel. Yeah, is just so good. And something that, you know, as a marketer, right, as we’re always putting up these transformation stories, and what God’s doing inside the programs and the data, there’s this element of like, Oh, I’d rather not share, because it feels prideful to share it. And so anyway, now you can see a little bit more of my thought process around it. But then the other flip of the coin is, if I don’t share, more people’s lives won’t be changed. And the work does not continue. So there’s a yeah, there’s a, I don’t know, cognitive dissonance in that regard. I read a book about humility, a while back. And one of the things they said was like, I don’t write down the good stuff I’ve done or the accomplishments or this or that, and I’m just like, I don’t think you are an online marketer. Because that’s our like, we have to do that in order for God to do this work. So anyway, you’re listening to this, because you are seeking to grow in spiritual maturity. And I am seeking to grow in spiritual maturity. One thing that I mentioned the crucifixion, in the very beginning of this podcast, because it is so vital, in terms of humility, for us to understand the cross, because I, I’ve listened to several things I’m learning from several historians about the cross and the crucifixion and what that represents. And these are not actually Christians. So so it’s very interesting to listen, from their perspective about what happened.
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The thing about the crucifixion, that even back then didn’t make sense. It didn’t make sense, like, lots of Jesus life, even to the skeptics kind of made sense, like, okay, he went around healing, he went around, you know, talking the way he did, and even rising from the dead. They, again, skeptics feel like that. You know, the followers could make that up, essentially, the thing they don’t understand is why would they make up him dying on the cross? Because the thing about the cross back then, in the in the Roman civilization actually originated in Persia. But the thing about that is, it was a practice for around 1000 years, several 100 years before several 100 years after Jesus and then Constantine became a Christian, and ended the practice even though it kind of died out eventually. But the point of it is, though, that the crucifixion the crucifixion was meant, first and foremost, to be the most. Basically the word Death that imaginable, so not only the pain and suffering, which was horrific, but it would be chosen above. Like they would people would prefer to die by burning at the stake or other, you know, horrific or being eaten by animals for, for people to watch like the the crucifixion was the worst death was the worst death, because not only the pain, which I’m going to go through what what they believe happened but the humiliation of it, the humiliation of it, it was meant to humiliate the person that was being killed. That was, that was it. And it was so bad that it was reserved for slaves. They didn’t even have Roman citizens, for the most part. It was reserved just for slaves or rebels, people that were trying to overthrow the government that was also possibility, but the lowest of the low because it was that horrific, that humiliating, that degrading. For the people witnessing it, for the family of the person who died, all of that. So what happened? Which we know, to some degree just straight from the Gospels, but in context of just history. crucifixions would happen, often a little differently, because it was it was almost like a sport like, Hey, how can we make this a little bit more fun to humiliate in this horrific way? Or how can we do this a little different. So there were different ways there wasn’t like one official This is the only way we crucify people because it was so it was so grotesque in torture, such a grotesque type of torture. But there’s a basic way that happened, that the ways that it happened, if you will, is that flogging with, with whips with chunks of metal at the end of the whips ahead of that, stripping down naked before the flogging, a fully naked, fully unclothed and then having the crossbeam of the cross tied to the hands, and some say that usually the flogging itself would kill the person. And they might get strung up to a cross just for further humiliation, but they would already be dead. That happened, but if the person did live, they would be tied or nailed to the the crossbeam of the cross, and then be forced to carry that to the place of the actual cross. And then the thing is they again, they would be naked, carrying this cross. And the thing about carrying the cross while or the crossbeam, while your hands are on the crossbeam is that it’s very easy to fall, especially since they’ve just been horrifically flogged tortured, it’d be very easy to fall, but you have nothing to do to catch your fall. And so you fall directly on your face. So the amount of that happened to Jesus, he was unable to, to catch himself ever. And so the amount of the way his face was bashed up, before ever even getting to the cross. Just horrific and the humiliation of having to walk naked through the streets to the place of ultimate being on display. And then actually getting to that place and getting up on the cross. A friend of mines pastor went to Israel recently and they learn more about it and the way he they said it was a lot of times the crosses were not high above the people, it was actually kind of low. And what that did was allow for the people themselves to assault the person who was on the cross they could hit or or assault even sexually the person on the cross and to imagine the amount of horrifying things that would happen as well as just there’s so many more layers to the possibilities but It’s just like, how can we
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see the cross
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and the humiliation that Jesus went through the humiliation he did not have to do that, at any moment. At any moment, he could have stopped the pain. He could have killed those who were horrific ly humiliating him, he could have just everything, everyone deserves to be punished for what was happening to him. It was not just the soldiers that were treating him horrifically it was the people as well. Such a such a thing. And we think we get to just pretend like it didn’t matter. So the early Christians, this this is what’s really interesting to historians, is no one would want their God to be killed like that. That humiliation makes no sense. Why would you want? Why would you want to make up such a degra dating, terrible way of dying, I mean, it’s whore, whole Holy, holy, humiliating, and suffering. And of course, I don’t know how much you know about the suffering of Jesus. But there, you know, the being on the cross is like a constantly not being able to breathe. And so it’s the pain of pushing yourself up. So you could breathe and then coming back down and the lungs collapsing, it’s just, I mean, the pain is unspeakable. And it’s a slow death, sometimes it would take days. Again, if they didn’t die in the flogging, or they might not have been flogged, and they just went straight to the cross. And then that was a days long process. And a lot of times for again, the fact of humiliation, they would not be buried, they would stay up there so that the Ravens would come and pluck out the eyes or pluck out the genitals like those were normal things that happen. So it’s not said in the Bible, those things happen. But it could, it could have happened. And I’m just like the horror of it. That’s why it’s not so explicit in the Bible, because it’s so horrific and humiliating. What happened like, even for the first century, first second century Christians, they didn’t focus on the cross that much because like the actual suffering, because it was so it you know, we focus as Christian so often on the resurrection, which is truly amazing. But the, the fact of the cross is what’s so compelling in terms of why in the world? Would God humiliate himself like that? And Eve, I want you to listen to a episode by a podcast called The rest is history. And these are British historians that, as far as I can tell, I’m almost 100% sure they’re not Christians. But this is a little bit of an episode on the crucifixion, Episode 175, that I’d like to play for you.
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Comes kind of very, very important that specifically Latin and then Western practice of Christianity. But I think Ironically, one of the long term consequences of that, is that ultimately, people in the West become desensitized to the horror of it. Because in a sense, the cross is so key to Christian practice, that people start just to see it as a symbol without reflecting on the full horror of what it represents. I think that’s absolutely true across this ubiquitous, yeah, because it’s ubiquitous. We don’t see it as an instrument. We now see it as a kind of form, like, you know, a much worse rack or something. It’s yeah, I mean, it’s a horrible screw. It’s not it’s a torture. It’s a torture instrument. But we don’t see it as that anymore. It’s a horrible, horrible thing. And I, you know, this episode, I mean, it’s, I think it’s the subject is a fairly revolting and upsetting one. And I think properly, to properly understand the impact that the idea of a crucified Savior had in the early centuries of Christianity, you have to you have to grasp that you have to get that you have to feel it.
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So he has a whole book called Dominion that I may very well read because it’s talking about how company Wheatly ridiculous, if you will, in the times of the culture that Jesus lived, turned into something that really even though people don’t necessarily ascribe to Christianity, they still build their mindsets of morality on Christian values. So even if they dislike again, they cherry pick the Bible. It’s fascinating to be thinking about this from historical perspective. Anyway. Why is this important? Why didn’t I give you a trigger warning about the amount of gruesomeness we were going to talk about today? I don’t know if we take. We take it seriously. I think we, I think the gentleman who spoke about the gentleman who was speaking was Tom Holland. He wrote the book dominion, but at the very end, the other host, his name is Dominic sandbrook. And this podcast is called the rest is history. And I think Dominique was right when he says that crosses ubiquitous, like the story of Jesus, being crucified as ubiquitous, it’s the, it’s so often retold, it’s so ingrained in tradition that we don’t even, we don’t even have a sense of the end fathom, the depth, the gruesomeness, the brutal illness of what Jesus went through for us. And the early Christians, they were willing to go to their death, to be crucified themselves, because of what they witnessed. And then when they saw him rise from the dead, they were willing to go through the same exact brittleness themselves because of that reality. And I just wonder if we could, if we could understand more, and pursue it more and believe him more would we would we decide it’s worth it to put down our smartphones, and have some stillness, and have some solitude and have some silence? And recognize how depravity we really are. That’s what I think is the crux of spiritual maturity. That you don’t need to bounce from preacher to preacher, good sermon to good sermon, good worship, music to good worship music, and instead there’s a silence and stillness and an awe
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before God.
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That’s not drummed up by others. But that’s you investigating in solitude, who got is in silence and stillness. I have so far to grow in this. So I’m with you in it. Can we have some, some holy reverence for truly what He suffered, for truly the grotesqueness of what he suffered? I don’t want to forget I don’t want to ignore you know, I watched The Passion of the Christ way back when it was you know, originally produced and it was horrifying. And it I was sobbing through it. Have I ever watched it again? I don’t want to go there. I don’t want to really see really remember really understand what he did. But we have to. That’s what it’s about when we when Jesus gives us communion the gift of communion to to remember to remember every time you eat it every time you drink the cup to see this as my body broken for you, my blood shed for you. Don’t forget don’t forget
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and if we want to be the people that Jesus calls us to, we have to get out of the society. And it doesn’t mean that you need to go move to the desert necessarily, or you’re not going to be a parent anymore because you what have you but you you do need to get why you’re doing what you’re doing. I need you to get the pride of your heart. I deserve I’m entitled I do all this stuff. Why isn’t my spouse doing that for me? Why don’t they love me the way I receive love because I’m doing the right stuff for them. Let us please look at the cross. How do we become more spiritually mature, we wait. We pause, we reflect.
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We choose solitude.
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We let the cross impact us. We don’t try to rush God to become who we want him to. know No, society doesn’t work that way. Hmm, it doesn’t. Okay. So it turns out Christianity doesn’t fit into our society.
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Isn’t that supposed to be the case?
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I just want to invite us to think differently, to pursue God differently. Man, your marriage should be the best. It should be the best of anyone you know. And it’s not because your spouse loves you. Well, it’s because you love your spouse. Well. You know, we were at the playground last night and a little boy told us his parents got divorced. We’ve known him for years. His parents got divorced six months ago. And, you know, I was like, Oh, I’m sorry. He’s like, Oh, it’s not my fault. It’s not the kids fault. It’s the parents fault. And he’s right.
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Gosh, how painful how painful
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I just want to challenge you and encourage you, and provoke you, provoke you. That’s the best word I can describe it not provoke you to anger but provoke you to pursuit provoke you to desire provoke you to to go further and deeper and, and sustained. Pursuit, not shallowness, and one that’s going to be dissuaded if you don’t get what you want. And I’m in that category too, at times, but can we stop long enough to just behold what Jesus did for us, and that it would truly inform everything else. He did it for you. The horror of the cross the humiliation that he did not have to endure, he did it for you.
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That’s the basis of spiritual maturity. That’s where it starts. God I asked for this one that you love to have a greater conception of the gruesome, horrific, humiliating sacrifice you did for them. For this one you did. Let us take the bread. And remember, this is your body. Let us take the cup and remember this is your blood sacrificed poured out for us. Let it change our lives. Let it cause us to go towards you in silence in solitude, not allowing distractions, not allowing ourselves to be pulled in all sorts of different directions even
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if it’s just a book. Even if it’s helping a friend that we live out of a place of solitude with you as Jesus did.
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Give me grace for that. Forgive me for the times that I have avoided that place because I didn’t want to be faced with my own nothingness. My own depravity and my own need for your sacrifice. I want to do it on my own merit and that’s not what is possible. You had to experience that for me and my sin.
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Give me grace to see this all rightly. Give this one grace to see it rightly. Give us a new fervor a new renewed perspective on you
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and what you have done and help us to give up our entitlement. But help us to take up our suffering and be grateful that we get to share in the suffering that you yourself endured. We get to do that. We love you, we bless you, we praise You we ask for grace in this and help in this in Jesus name.
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Amen. I hope this has provoked you as it has me.
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I would love for both of us to sit in some silence. I’ll let the music play. But could we just sit in silence and solitude and in awe of what Jesus did and from that place trust that God’s maturing us from that place.
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God bless you I love you