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Hi there! Belah here. This is Part II of my talk with Bonny about her story. Bonny of oysterbed7.com made a choice to fight for her marriage. She grew and learned about what her husband needed her to be as a wife. Be a warrior in the bedroom and learn how to increase your sex drive too!
You’ll Discover:
- What specifically Bonny did to encourage sexual intimacy in her marriage.
- She talks about sex scheduling and how that can help the planners and their higher drive spouse.
- What working out can be mean to your intimacy.
- How what is “romantic” changes and shifts into a better gear.
- How mutual respect for eachother’s way of connecting is a central foundation to greater intimacy.
- How you feel about your looks cannot be trusted.
- Understand that your emotions aren’t wrong and neither are your husband’s.
- A product that will really help your sex life and you can find it at the grocery store.
Resources Mentioned: (clickable images)
Unlock Your Libido: 52-Week Sex Drive Transformation by Bonny Logsdon Burns
Tweetables:
- All emotions are valid. You may not have all the facts but it’s not wrong.
- When you first start dating someone there is no judgement. Put away the judgment of your spouse.
- Pornography is really an intimacy disorder that people can absolutely grow out of, but it’s an intimacy disorder.
- The enemy is not your husband. The enemy is Satan.
Thanks for listening! I hope you are encouraged to live in wholehearted intimacy!
Love,
Belah
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Transcript
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to light your marriage episode 17.
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Welcome to the delight your marriage podcast. This show where you hear from amazing and inspiring wives sharing their struggles, triumphs and advice for this journey called marriage. Here’s your host, belah. Rose.
0:21
Hi there, and welcome. My name is belah rose, and I’m so glad that you’re here. Thank you for joining me today, I want to just give a little mention about the title be a warrior in the bedroom? Yes, so that is what we’re talking about warring in the bedroom. Now, let me just clarify that for a moment. I think God has given us a desire each one of us to have a very specific purpose, a reason calling, a reason to be alive, you know, to be an adventurer to, to war and win the battle and fight the good fight. I think that is a very biblical concept. You know, it says that the principalities in the angels and the demons are fighting on our behalf, and we don’t even know about it. But here’s the thing. I believe that sex is a really important piece of God’s plan. And I don’t know about you, but I have heard too many horror stories of people being abused, because sex was outside of the right context. Now, I don’t know if the abuser it was because they didn’t have sex in the racket. It might have been that someone abused them because you know, it trickles down generation to generation. I can’t say this is definitively the issue. But I want to say that sex is a powerful force. In God’s plan, when it is in the right context, when it is used properly. It provides a unifying force like nothing else, that the kingdom of God can work together in such a mighty way, when marriages are working the way God intended to being one flesh. I love thinking about it in a war sense. Because you know, in the Bible, it specifically says that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, that means they’re not fleshly. They’re not sinful, but they are mighty in God for the pulling down of strongholds, and casting down of any high thing that exalts itself above the knowledge of God. And I want to say to you today that sexual addiction, and every immorality of sex that you can think of that I’m not even going to go into because you know how horrifying it is that that is exalting itself above the knowledge of God. And I think as a wife, you and I have the privilege of putting sex in a place that you are warring against the temptations and not allowing those to be in your marriage. So you and I can do it for our marriage. And you know, God willing, it’s just going to grow and spread and spread and spread. But I do believe that sex in the right context makes a huge impact for the kingdom of God, you are not just pleasing your husband. It’s not just about making it an easier family life in your household, although all those things will happen. It is purposed by are the most high in a very specific place and way and I want you to know that by making it a priority. I believe our Father in heaven is thankful. I believe he says yes, that is what I meant when I created this gift. All right, well, thanks for sticking with me through that. Here’s Bonnie, she just gives so much great insight she specifically goes into how to increase your libido, which is huge for anyone who struggled with that myself included. I just really want you to listen in. And this whole theme of warrior just develops and develops. It’s awesome. Okay, so let’s dive in
4:12
well, I want to ask you about how things have shifted and how things are now to kind of give people that vision of what it can be like after
4:22
the struggle after the struggle. Well, I think one of the keys to the shifting was we have a sec schedule
4:39
I’m I’m very much a planner. I like to know what’s coming ahead. Even though you think that planning would squelch spontaneity, I still find it incredibly romantic. That you know, and it’s just, it’s care for me that my husband is totally is okay with looking at our week. and saying, Okay, let’s shoot for Sunday afternoon and Tuesday morning. You know, that’s, that’s it, it doesn’t have to be in stone. Of course, it’s flexible, but it’s our, it’s our game plan. And that was a huge part of, of our healing. And you know, it sounds simple, but when he didn’t know if or when there would ever be an occasion for sexual intimacy, that worried him. And so by him knowing and confident that there would be a rendezvous, and by my knowing when the rendezvous was going to be, we were much more relaxed about, you know, participating, and, and there was no question of what was ever going to happen.
5:45
I love that I’m a huge advocate for sex schedules as well. So that’s awesome. I’m just like you, I need to plan and I need to maybe take a shower. I mean, they’re just things that I need to feel sexy. So planning is great. And so I want to know how, you know, when someone’s like, well, it’s not spontaneous. She’s obviously not in the mood if she has to plan it. What would you say to them?
6:08
Well, you know, I think you have to shift your idea of what is romantic. Now, after you’ve been married a while and you have little kids, you know, what was romantic to me when my husband took care of the vomit sheet. And I took care of the kid. That was like to me, I love you. As you start doing life, you have to change your view of romance. Now, of course, we still love to go out to dinner and he still opens my car door and, and he’ll send me sweet texts, and I send him text. You know, you still have that traditional romance, but I think you just have to shift your, your idea of romance just a little bit. Yeah. That’s it’s still romantic. It’s just not as spontaneous.
6:57
Yeah. Yeah. And you mentioned a little bit about libido before and I know you’ve got a book coming out, or is it out now?
7:04
Yes, it’s out now. We’re doing yay. Yeah. Yes, it’s out unlock your libido. It’s a 52 week, sex transformation, a sex drive transformation. I’ve, I found a study in 2012. That showed a physical correlation. When people think about positive verbs. A group of people were told positive verbs and positive for I mean, action verbs, I’m sorry, sure what action verbs are used in a positive context, there was a physical strength on a grip sensor, and it increased the physical strength increased on the grip speed sensor. So I’ve used that philosophy that if positive verbs in a positive sentence can increase grip strength, why can’t it increase other things? So each week, there’s a commentary about a different aspect of libido. And there’s a scripture to think about. And there is a positive thought or, you know, if you want to say positive affirmation, using action verbs, and so each week, you have a new assignment to think about the scriptures. pray over them. Think about your positive thought pray over every day. And then the next week, you have a new thought and a new scripture and a new positive. Thought affirmation.
8:27
Hmm. I love that. I love that because I also say that you should absolutely be going through affirmations before you are ready to make love. I mean, that’s what helps me really.
8:40
Absolutely, yeah. And prayer, you just doubly seal it, you know, you call the Holy Spirit in to help you and, and let your physical body do what it can do. And yeah, you can change your sex drive. Absolutely. It’s so good.
8:53
Oh, that’s so good. I’m so glad. So that. So that really is the purpose of the book and your focus on libido is to increase it.
9:02
Yes. Yes, is to increase because I know there. A woman that once she engages in lovemaking can be aroused. Even without feeling the desire initially, I know that that can happen. And that does happen often. And I totally promote that. But isn’t it more fun to just have a little bit of desire going into it? So that’s, that’s the focus of oyster bed seven, just to try to think of different ways to lift your sex drive.
9:35
That’s awesome. Now does that that in conjunction with the sex schedule, wow, what does that feel? I mean, well, okay, so I would say that my take on sex sex settles is like, you need to you kind of need a baseline of like, a good amount of, of lovemaking going on in your marriage. And then then you can you know, throw in the little Don’t make easier and they are the little, you know, treats on top. Yeah. Yeah. Is that kind of what you would say to someone that you know, what if I do increase my drive? And then we’ve got this rigid schedule? I mean, what is that?
10:13
Right? Maybe schedule is not rigid, you’re absolutely right. It’s just a baseline a guideline, you know, something to shoot for, you don’t ever want to go any less than your schedule. But Oh, absolutely, as much as you can.
10:26
Awesome. I love that. I’d love to chat more about the reasons you feel that your marriage has been successful. And even if you could talk about, you know, associated a little bit with the struggle that you all have been through, I mean, the the chief, three things that has been central to you all being successful.
10:46
Well, number one would be Ephesians 521, submit yourself to each other out of reverence for Christ. You know, that’s mutual respect, and communication. I know, there’s a lot of dialogue in the Christian community, about the rest of Ephesians, where the wiser to submit to the husbands and the husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the church. And those are absolutely true. But I think once you have 521, it wants that’s working in your life, and you understand it, the other the other part falls into place. So that’s, that’s, that’s the first key to our marriage was his, you know, Christ, His foundation, and that scripture, of mutual respect. And so that kind of leads into the, my next point would be, all emotions are valid. Think once our children came along, I tried to parent, my husband, I wanted him to think just like I did, because that’s what you do with your children. You’re trying to persuade them to think in a way that’s socially acceptable. And, you know, behavior, that’s socially acceptable. And so I think, you know, part of our problem was, I was trying to parent him and try to make him think like me, and vice versa. So we had to learn that I could feel a certain way, and he may not agree with it, but it’s okay. It doesn’t mean it’s, you know, if it’s not a sinful thing, it’s okay. We can compromise. We can, we can not be 100%. Identical. Yeah, we’re, that’s, that’s the beauty of marriage is that you’re not my strengths are his weaknesses, and his weaknesses are my strengths. Right? I think I said that wrong. But you know what I mean? Yeah.
12:34
Exactly. Right. And I would even agree, in terms of sometimes we think of our husbands as if they’re completely different from any other human being in that you would never tell a friend how to think you would never, you know, say, no, no, you’re wrong. And you should dot dot, dot dot. That the the relationship that’s really the the closest human relationship we should ever have is something that we’re gonna abuse in that way.
13:03
Yeah, yeah. And so then the third thing is that Unity, Unity does not mean conformity. We are unified in Christ, and we are unified and wanting to help others and to be good stewards of our money and to raise Christian children. We’re in unified in those things. But, you know, if I don’t like that song, you know, he doesn’t have to not like that song just because I don’t, you know, it’s No, he doesn’t have to conform to me, and I don’t have to conform to him, but we can still be united our goals and purposes and in our love.
13:36
Hmm. And do you think that in making the shift from trying to kind of control and change your husband, I mean, how did that shift even happen? Marriage class.
13:49
I hate to go. I mean, it really didn’t change our life. There was a whole there was a section where a man explained that if a policeman comes to your door, and says, Your son has been killed in a traffic accident, you are going to feel anguish, and a tears and rage and you’re going to feel all those things. And then what if you were to come back into ours and say, Oh, we made a mistake. Your son is still alive? Well, you’re relieved. But that doesn’t mean that all those feelings you felt the first time were wrong. They weren’t wrong. You felt that because that was the information you had, even though factually it wasn’t correct. So that’s how come all emotions are valid. What you feel is, doesn’t make it wrong. You may not have all the facts. But once I realized what he feels isn’t wrong and what I when he realized that my feelings weren’t wrong. That’s that was part of the transformation.
14:58
It’s incredible. What else wonderful illustration of based on the information or your experience or your pattern or crap that you came into marriage with. That’s why you’re feeling those
15:10
things. Yeah, yep. Yep. Yep. Exactly.
15:13
Not necessarily wrong. And, and it might mean that okay, this needs some patience and some grace to work through. Yes, you know, but it but it’s not something that you can hurriedly just, well, he’s just crazy and all these other things to, to cut it off. I love that. Okay, so we’ve talked a lot about intimacy, which has been great. And I’m interested if you could share a tip about intimacy that you wish someone let you in on earlier?
15:42
Hmm. Well, if it were to be about libido, I should have been exercising my whole entire life. Exercise is has just been an incredible bonus. Not only for my body chemistry, I really do feel different, you know, it releases a lot of good brain cocktail. Not just that, but it helps it empowers me I feel better about my body. I think a lot of women have problems with body image. And you don’t have to be thin. I mean, it exercise just helps you feel good. I did this for myself. And yeah, I’m maybe a little stronger, a little more toned. But you don’t have to be skinny. You know, the goal doesn’t have to be weight loss. Just move. Yeah, that was. And that’s very, has nothing to do with the bedroom so much as it does your whole life. But it it has impacted my sex drive huge amount.
16:48
That’s awesome. Well, you know that I just had the baby. So I’m seven weeks out. And it’s been a long, seven weeks. So we’ve been able to do other things and intimacy, but not actually, you know, what we both kind of want to do? So
17:07
Oh, and you know, that’s great that you have considered that because after my babies, I didn’t consider it. So it’s wonderful. It’s something that, that it’s good.
17:19
I appreciate that. Because especially after having a brand new baby, and if you have young children, or if you’re in a place where it just seems How can you ever prioritize intimacy right now? It’s it’s important. It’s important your marriage. So just an encouragement that way. And that’s what that’s kind of how I viewed it for these last couple weeks is that, you know, we’re not at our regular fantasy, but we are prioritizing it a couple of times. Yeah. Even even when maybe there’s just spit up on my shirt. And I’m just not in the mood. But it’s still a priority in our marriage. So I mentioned that because to go back to your exercise point, I was able to go to the gym yesterday, and today. And I am a very different person, just very different when you exercise. I mean, the the hormones that get released, the chemicals that get released in your body are just, they’re wonderful. And so like you say bony, I mean, even if it might not even make a difference physically for you, it’s going to make a difference in your mind, the way you feel about how you look physically. And the truth is how we feel about ourselves really can’t be trusted. Because I don’t know if you’ve had this experience, but yet, you ever like go to a party and you feel kind of dumpy and you just don’t feel great about yourself, you know, maybe you’ve got a weird pair of shoes on or whatever. And then a couple weeks later, you see a picture of that party, and you’re like, Wow, she looks stunning.
18:48
looks so much better than I thought.
18:50
I know exactly. And like why can’t we have that perspective of us in the moment? Well, it’s, you know, our own worst critic a lot of times, but the truth is, your husband sees your as glorious. And just believe that and move forward with it. So do exercise so that you start to feel a little bit better about your body. And get yourself to be able to believe that in the moment too. So,
19:15
yes, definitely. Yeah. I’m specifically about intimacy. I love coconut oil. Yeah, highly recommend. I think if there’s one thing I had to say about intimacy, it would be used like coconut oil. And that you can buy organic. It’s really good for other parts of your body too. It’s just it’s got lots of benefits. But so that’s what my one little tip, I love. I love. That’s great. Well,
19:49
I’m sure the aisles will be free of coconut oil after this episode, so very great. Well, I’d love to ask a little bit about do Your specific marriage. And I know you mentioned your blog and a couple of other things you were facilitating this group, but what have you, how in what ways you have been able to serve God?
20:10
Well, yes, definitely through the marriage classes, although we can only do those maybe, you know, once a year, or maybe once every other year, because they’re very emotionally taxing. They’re wonderful. They’re wonderful, but you know, they’re taxing. So, other ways, we our marriage ministry coordinators for our church, people know that they can come to us with issues and everything is completely confidential and private. And of course, I do my, my blog, and that’s my huge service. But yeah, and, and individually. He serves God through his work, he has to view it as a mission field as well as his career, because those are the people he impacts daily. So he carries his faith, although he may not talk about it. Or maybe he’s not allowed to, but he carries his faith into work as well. So he, you know, he’s a wise person, for people to come to and that, that know that they can come to him at work and talk about things. It doesn’t have to be just about marriage or sex. You know, we just bloom while we’re planted.
21:25
Yeah, I love that. We made the point a little bit earlier you did, that, you’re able to do so much more with a good marriage. I just love that you were able to really illustrate that in all these different areas that you’re serving, as well as the Christian woman’s job corps that we talked about earlier. You’re able to just serve God in so many ways and help people in so many ways, as a result, really, of this wonderful marriage that you all fought through. And yes,
21:52
yes. And it has been a battle it really has. And you know, I one point I would like to make to women who are struggling with or not pornography in their marriage, be a warrior. You know, the enemy is not your husband. The enemy is Satan. We have to be warriors, holy warriors. And I think about JL in the Old Testament when Deborah went with the Israelites to fight a battle. Yes, that’s a great story. No, go ahead. I’ll link it up in the show notes. I’ll have it okay. Well, Jaya ill was in a tent. After this battle, the enemies general came to her tent and demanded hospitality. So she gave him milk. And he went to bed and went to went to sleep. And she knew he was an enemy of God. So while he was sleeping, she took a tense bike, and drove it into his head. Which is yuck and horrible. But that’s what I think women need to be when it comes to pornography. They need to be that warrior is that to put a 10 spike in the temple of pornography? It’s, you know, it’s pornography. It’s not your husband. Yes, he made a choice. I never want to, you know, he did make a choice to do that. But, you know, you have to see who the enemy really is. Yeah.
23:20
Yeah. And, you know, I wonder if I could just kind of illustrate this a little bit with a my own kind of story. In when I was dating my husband, my now husband, I was struggling in a pretty serious eating disorder. I was bulimic. And it wasn’t until I was open with him that I was able to begin to go through healing of this sin really, because it was kind of denying the the help that God could give me in the healing I needed to go through. So it wasn’t a really wasn’t until I was open with him. Now, my husband could have taken it really personally. And he could have thought, well, I can’t even make my girlfriend happy. And it’s all my fault that she is, you know, struggling in this way. And it’s been, we’ve been together for months. And she’s never mentioned all these things. And instead, his response was really gracious, and he was really kind and he really opened himself up to be accountability for me. So every time that it happened again, I was able to talk to him and he was wonderful, loving through it. It was incredible. It really, really was. So eventually, I was able to be open with my family and then friends and once more people started finding out about the struggle I was having, my gosh, the temptation to do it was like non existent. Really, it was just completely different. You know, once that secrecy and the, you know, hiding of the sin is out of the picture. Well, I mean, the temptation almost completely leaves and you start bringing the light and God’s truth into the situation and changes everything. So because that literally that only happened because I had a safe space with my husband that I could tell him, and I could talk to him, honestly. And he was a safe person, he wasn’t going to judge me, he wasn’t going to get mad at me. So you have encouraged openness throughout this whole conversation. I really love that. Because if a wife can think about the addiction of her husband, in a similar way, that she is not responsible for this issue. She did not cause it, but she can be a powerful force to solve it. Yeah, powerful. So I love that, that she’s not going to just lay back and act like, Okay, this, just like jail, you know, this, this, this person came into my tent I had, I was not able to do anything. And then, you know, it was gone, the enemy was, you know, took everything that we know, she fought back, you know, and so I would just encourage, fight back, you know, fight the good fight. But just like Bonnie said, I love not don’t fight with your husband, that he’s not enemy. You’re driving the, you know, spike through the wrong person.
26:06
Exactly, exactly. That’s awesome. I love that. Yes. Yeah. Right.
26:13
I mean, this is, this is amazing. So if you can really think about supporting him through it, you know, he could get to the other side and be a whole wonderful husband and the vision that Bonnie set out for how their marriage has transformed in this incredible, incredible place. You can be there too. So I just love that.
26:32
Yes, yes, absolutely. I do want to mention another book that helped us. Dr. Doug Weiss. There’s two books, actually. One is called Sex God and men. And those are for men with pornography issues and intimacy disorders, which is really what pornography is, it’s an intimacy disorder, the inability, you know, the, or the the hindrance to be intimate with another person. And absolutely, you can grow out of that. It’s not something that’s permanent. But anyway, sex god in men, and the second book is called 100 days to intimacy. And that helps a lot with emotional intelligence and just becoming the, the couple the pair you want to be, you know, the connection.
27:21
Hmm. That’s awesome. I love that. Well, that was actually going to be my next question about a book you’d recommend. So thank you for that. And we have mentioned, your new book that’s come out.
27:32
My deepest prayer is that God sends every woman who needs it to that book. Yeah, that’s
27:38
awesome. Well, I’m absolutely going to read it. So I’ll be one of the. So I’m looking forward to that. Okay, so if you could, this is my last question for you. If you could go back to year one in your marriage, and sit yourself down? What’s one piece of advice that you would give to you?
27:57
Oh, man, I think that it would be that I need to keep the open mind because when you first start dating someone, you’re so open, you know, whatever they say, you you can understand. And you, you know, you, you, there’s no judgement, that’s it. There’s no judgement when you’re first dating. I mean, especially if you agree on the big stuff, you know, that your faith and and what kind of parents you want to be, you know, that kind of thing once you get the big things. Understood, but just to put away the judgment. Yeah, and that sex is really important.
28:40
Good work. I love that. Yep. Yep. Awesome. Well, Bonnie, this has been incredible. Really, I’m just so excited. I know. The listeners are super encouraged. I am too in our marriages, and it’s going to be great. What how can people connect with you? We mentioned your website a couple of times, but yeah, Vegas or
28:59
oyster bed seven, oyster bed. seven.com. And my email is on there. If you want to contact me personally, I respond to all emails myself. It’s Pearl mail. three@gmail.com. And I would love to hear from you. What if you have any kind of need any of the risk listeners want to contact me? That’s fine.
29:23
Awesome. Well, that’s really generous of you. And I’m really looking forward to connecting to you again soon, Benny.
29:29
Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. belah I’ve just enjoyed getting to know you better and you are an inspiration. I didn’t know some of those things that you’ve struggled through. And you you’ve done it with hope and you’re offering hope to your listeners with delight your marriage. God bless you. Oh,
29:43
thank you, Bonnie, thank you so much. Wow, praise God. i What an awesome, awesome reminder that the enemy is not our husband. The enemy is Satan. Absolutely. Well, I just am so grateful. For Bonnie’s story, and, you know, I just sense have a sense that there’s at least someone out there that’s, that’s thinking, yeah, come on. I mean, I get all the sex stuff, and I, you know, want to learn how to do it better and all that, but it’s not really that big of a deal, is it? And I would just say, I would just challenge you. I mean, if you look around, why are there so many people abused? Because of sex? Why? If it’s not that big of a deal, why are there so many people in such heartache and pain because sex was in the wrong context. And I again, I might, it might have been generations ago, that abuse began, as a result of, you know, a little trickle of, you know, dissatisfaction in the bedroom and slowly grew into this monster. But the cool thing is that we can start now, to put it in the right context and the right priority in our hearts, and our minds and, and really get this thing under control, get this thing in the right spot. You know, because if there weren’t, if it all satisfied, husbands weren’t watching porn, there’d be a lot less people that were abused, on the other side of the computer screen. So. And I and I also want to encourage, you know, Bonnie’s book, the unlocking your libido, it’s actually it’s a very cheap book, but it’s, it packs a lot of power. So if you can spare the, I think it’s under $10. If you can spare that it’s got just great stuff to meditate on, you know, because maybe you’ve been listening to this, and you’re like, I am with you, belah, I’m with you, Bonnie, I want to be that for my husband, I want to be that, you know that good work for the kingdom of God, I want to do that in my marriage. But I just don’t have the feeling at all. Well, Bonnie is absolutely right, that God is bigger than that. You know what he is bigger than that. And if you spend some time learning about it, you spend some time meditating on the Scripture about it, you spend some time doing the different things that God has made this world capable of understanding and learning and doing, then I really believe that you’re not going to stay in that place for long. So switching gears for just a bit, I want to remind you that the webinar is coming up, it is a free webinar. And I want to get into the nitty gritty of how to use now I get that a lot of this stuff that we’re talking about very head knowledge, right? It’s not very practical. So I want to get view the practical keys, what step by step by step, Do this, do that don’t do this, don’t do that. And it’s just for wives. It’s a free webinar. It’s totally anonymous. And it’s actually very simple. So if you’ve never been on a webinar, or you don’t know what that means, it’s basically you’re going to sit at your computer, you’re going to click the link that I’ll email you just before it starts to click on that. It’ll be eight o’clock next Tuesday, sorry, eight o’clock Eastern Standard Time, you click that link, and then up pops a video, essentially of the presentation. And you can just listen. Easy peasy. It’ll be very clear. So if you haven’t already signed up for that, I really would encourage you what’s what’s stopping you, right? Be a warrior in the bedroom. Find out how on that webinar, it’s specifics of oral sex. And I go into some of the background stuff on episode 14. So you’ll want to check that out first. Well, I just want to thank you for sticking with us on this very important topic. As you think about this and meditate on this in the next couple of days, I would just ask you to talk to God about it. Some of this stuff might be jarring. Some of the stuff is jarring to me. I feel like I’m learning every single day, as God’s just showing me new things about this wonderful gift he’s given. But ask him about it. See if he will give you new understandings and new revelations about this whole experience. I really believe he will. He doesn’t want to hide this from you. It says that he loves to give his children good gifts. I believe this is one of the best gifts he really wants to give you. So I love you. Thank you so much. And I’ll talk to you Tuesday. Hopefully live if you can make it. Okay, we’ll talk soon.
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